A DISCUSSION ABOUT
"TRUTH"
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SimShalom :
Hi , how are you?
Q :
i'm fine .)
SimShalom :
OK..how's thingscoming along?
What do people say lately about Israel...?
Q :
some insults and some compliments :)
SimShalom :
I see.
So what have been some of the best insults,
and some of the worst comments (without cursing)
Q :
i didn't keep them... but i can remember some about israeli killers of poor palestinians and some about bad jews who want to conquer the world
SimShalom :
Have they forgotten the history of the Roman Empire? Do they even know about this, that it was the Romans who destroyed the Jewish nation, killed millions of Jews, and sent them to exile ('galut' in Hebrew) all over the world 2,000 years ago.
Q :
they don't know history
SimShalom :
Yea, that's what I thought...very few people know history,,
people just know what they saw on TV last night and the movie they saw last week..
And the last time they saw a cool ad with some girls or guys undressed..
Q :
some people just don't want to know the truth...
SimShalom :
Truth?
Who cares about truth?
Anyhow, what is truth in any case?
people do not believe that there is an absolute truth in any case.
Whatever is good today is the "truth"...
Q :
but we know tet truth is something else
SimShalom :
Truth is simple, but not easy to accept.
What do you accept as THE "truth"?
Q :
when i feel that something is true :)
SimShalom :
It's based on your feelings only?
So what if your feelings change? Does that mean truth will change also?
Q :
only "my" truth
Q :
not only on my feelings, also on the facts
SimShalom :
Ok, so what if then facts are that for example Mussolini made all the trains run on time in Italy.. what's wrong with that "fact"? Maybe Mussolini is the "truth" because there are good "facts" about him ...
Q :
there are good facts and bad facts
Q :
if the trains run on time, that was good, but he also made some bad laws that made many people feel bad and many died
Q:
so, there were few good things, but many bad things about him
Q :
so, considering all, it's a bad person and a bad politician for me
SimShalom :
wait a minute, now you are talking about "VALUES" of "good" and "bad".
(You started with "feelings" then you went on to "facts" , now you are talking about "values" also) ..
so maybe let's say somebody had good "feelings" about Mussolini because he made Italians proud, and there is the "fact" that he made the trains run on time, so he is "good" and we must support that 'Fact" he made a war in Africa, and all this becomes then has to be the "truth"...who says it's "bad", You do, but to someone else it's "good"
Q :
so, maybe truth doesn't exist
Q :
it's just a matter of "points of view"
SimShalom :
Truth doesn't exist?
There are six billion people on Earth and therefore there are six billion "points of view" , so can there be six billion "truths" that is just not possible or logical.
Everybody agrees that the sun rises during the day and sets at night, that the oceans have salt water and that humans have hearts..these real facts and are also the truth that everybody can agree on..
So somewhere there must be an absolute truth that brings it all together...
SimShalom:
Hi, are you still there..?
In classical Judaism there is an ABSOLUTE TRUTH !.......
Q :
yes, but sometimes it's hard to understand the difference between facts and opinions
Q :
i have to go to sleep now, it's 1 am here and i have to wake up at 7:00 tomorrow...
Q :
but this topic is really intersting, maybe we can continue it another day
Q :
Shabbat Shalom :)
Q:
see you on sunday night or on monday
Q :
good night :)
SimShalom :
Well that's why we have brains, with minds, and the capacity to think and measure with logic and facts that make sense(and forget about "points of view" because that changes every minute)...and you can and must be in touch with your TRUE feelings not just "passions" (for example a "sex drive" is not a "feeling" it every a an instinct)
They say that the Torah is the absolute truth and needs to be studied to really UNDERSTAND how and why the Torah is the only absolute truth...

- posted by Izak @ 7:53 PM